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    Well here we are, everyone has started their season and, while some things look like they will never change some other things look like they have really turned a corner. Before I jump into my top ten, a few thoughts on the conferences so far;


    OUA
    -We might set a record this year for most futile offenses among the playoff contender. Ottawa, Mac, Carleton, Queens, have all looked abysmal in their games so far, while Guelph went from a dog's breakfast against Ottawa to very competitive against Western.
    -The defenses look pretty solid but of course the offenses have looked so bad it's hard to judge.
    -Waterloo deserves a thunderous round of applause for putting the hard work in during the off season to get them off to an amazing start. While they played two bottom feeders they had a solid win over Windsor and a slapping of York. Do any of the Waterloo fans feel nostalgic watching the Warriors run the option all over the opposition?
    -Craney needs to be fired now, like right now, like right this second. It is inexcusable how bad York is this far in to his tenure, a team who has put in 1 great off season just blasted his team. Maybe the Q people can help me with this question... With McGrath (who has been denigrated badly by former players of his to me) and Craney as the coaches Con U was very successful, almost knocking off Laval in a couple Dunsmores. How did that happen, seeing as how they have preformed since?
    -Sheahan and Sumarrah also look to be on the chopping block for this year. Queens has dropped back to back games in BRUTAL fashion, completely crapping out with the lead right at the end. That 2009 Vanier was great but we're 8 years removed and I am very confident in saying they do not make the playoffs this year. The Ravens have a ton of vets (though lost their 3 most important in Behar, Adeleke, and Mills) and just scored more points on themselves than on their opposition in a loss to Mac.


    The Q
    -As usual the Red and Blue giants are on top and figure to stay that way, the only questions is who will be the champ between those 2
    -Con U's differential against U de M (18 points) was not too bad but Laval blasted both Sherby and McGill. I assume we are in for a season of comfortable wins/blowouts for the top two against the bottom 3 leading us all the way in to the Dunsmore

    CW
    -Regina looks to be the top dog as of now, they already had the offense and I think I saw someone on here say their front 7 is much improved? If the defense can back up that aerial attack they are a potential Vanier champion.
    -Calgary had an odd pre-season result and then a typical beating of Alberta. I don't take too much from pre-season so I would say those two are the top dogs as of now.
    -Sask pulled off a gutsy win over Manitoba and UBC lost handily to Regina, I think those two duke it out for 3rd place.
    -Manitoba is a dark horse and Alberta is just Alberta, nothing more


    AUS
    -Bishops lost by 17 in their first game.... ouch. Changing conferences to be more competitive sucks when your first game is a 3 score loss. They have time to make that up especially since you only need to be in the top 60% to make the playoffs but it would be sad to see them finish without a berth.
    -Is SMU back? A nice opening win has the Sea Dogs hoping, it would be nice for nostalgia's sake to see.

    Top Ten

    The Easy Part

    1. Laval- A pretty easy choice. They won the Cup with a young team and they are the best program in the country. Last year or the year before I said that I thought we had seen the end of the absurdity of Laval's dominance, now I am not so sure. They won't be tested in-conference aside from Montreal and then the CW rep. Could anyone tell me, is CQ or Q home this year for the bowl game?

    2. Montreal- Not as easy as the Laval, I thought of putting a CW team here but I feel this makes sense for now. Prior to their Dunsmore and Vanier win I always thought it was bluster that any team in the Q could seriously challenge Laval but they have proved capable. The Q season all comes down to these two and whoever makes it out has a great chance at being the Vanier champ.

    3. Regina- Last year they surprised everyone and came out firing, ultimately bowing out in the semi's. Teams often cannot win the big games until they've at least been there, now they know what it feels like to be in a playoff game and a slugfest. As I mentioned earlier I believe a CW fan (Ram Boy maybe?) said their front 7 has improved dramatically, if that is the case then they are a truly dangerous team. Navigating the pitfalls of a CW schedule is one of the hardest feats in the country (it has nothing on a 3rd place Q finish the year before though) so they'll be tested early and often but they could be special.

    4. Calgary- I don't hold stock in exhibition games aside from showing young struggling team's improvement so I'm not worried about their trouncing by Regina. They did what they were supposed to do against Alberta and, aside from Laval, are the most battle tested team in the country. Same as with Regina, they will be tested regularly in-conference.

    5. Western- I thought of dropping them lower after a close win over Guelph but I think that game will show, by the end of the season, more that the Guelph performance against Ottawa was an anomaly than anything. I certainly don't have them in the same class as Laval or Calgary, or even U de M, but in what looks to be an especially down year for the OUA they are the heavy favorite for me. I just don't have any faith in them to win out of conference, though they will likely beat the AUS rep and get hammered by the winner of the CW/Q semi.

    The Hard Part
    -Nobody really stands out here. The choices are between undefeated OUA teams who look awfully one dimensional (Mac, Ottawa), undefeated SMU, Sask, and Laurier with wins over FX, Manitoba, and Toronto but who knows how good those opponents are (aside from Toronto who we know is bad), winless teams (Guelph, UBC) with losses to either conference favorites or at least playoff teams, or Con U with their 1-1 record and a respectable 18 point margin loss to U de M. Since it is a pick em I'll go with;

    6. Laurier- I have them here as they have no losses and did what they were supposed to do against a bad Toronto team. Also because I think they have one of the best young coaches in the country and they were Yates champs last year. That being said I think the OUA might be a one (purple) horse league this year.

    7. Saskatchewan- As the fans on this forum have said over and over, the Dogs have been hard to trust since the mid/early 2000s BUT they have a new coaching staff so maybe that will wake them up. This team is a sleeping giant, one of the blue bloods of CIS football in a region where canadian ball really is the first love. I wonder if they'll stay here for the long haul but here they are for now.

    8. Ottawa- Their offense has looked atrocious but they have found a way to win at home and on the road. I was prepared to say Guelph will have a bad season but they fought hard with Western so I think Ottawa caught them at a good time to get a win. They'll certainly need to improve their offense to have anything more than a reasonable campaign but they are undefeated for now and they'll stay that way as they have York next week.

    9. SMU- Are you watching Marton? The obligatory #9 spot goes to an old friend who might be back from the dumpster. They knocked off last year's conference champs and I think they have a solid coach in Colzie. It would be nice to see the Huskies back in the mix, fingers crossed.

    10. Con U- They beat Sherby in a tight one and 18 points is not a bad margin to lose to Montreal by. That being said, as soon as UBC, Guelph, Mac, or Carleton show me something they can jump the Bees.

    Why Teams Were Left Off
    -Mac: They are 1-0 but that Carleton win was so damn ugly I just couldn't do it. If they were 2-0 maybe they would be in place of Ottawa but an unbalanced schedule will do that in a weekly ranking system
    -Carleton: That Mac game was an exercise in futility, can anyone tell me where the hell Michael Arruda is? I was under the impression he was a highly touted 22 year old CEGEP MVP with a year in the Carleton system, the guy wearing his jersey looks a shell-shocked rookie from a mid level High School in a small Ontario town.
    -Guelph: They lost two tight games to a playoff team (Ottawa) and the probable OUA champ (Western) but they lost them all the same. Winless cannot be in the top ten.
    -UBC: See Guelph
    -Mount A: I need a win over FX, SMU, or a Q interlock win to believe anything.
    -Waterloo: Yes I know they are undefeated but only against two bottom feeders. If they get a win over even a mid-level OUA team I will happily put them on the list.

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    Just few comments. Mostly in agreement with what you're saying.

    - I can't help but to say that we'll be seeing somewhat similar of a coaching change with Queen's, like how this happened in USask.....a historically strong program not winning anything in years (especially come playoffs) and the teams losing in huge disappointments to cap that off in last few seasons (Queen's more of recent happenings however).

    - Regina, if they keep it up and win in CW, could provide interesting matchups for Laval or Montreal come Mitchell Bowl, especially if they use the new Roughriders Stadium and also bring all the Roughriders fans on top of Regina locals and students. In order to beat Laval (at least), you need to have a phenomenal QB like Branagan or Quinlan doing otherworldly and Noah Picton can absolutely do that- even with improved secondaries on Laval's half.

    - With Craney I have to assume that his poor performance in York, in contrast to good defences he coached back in Concordia, may be similar to what Rex Ryan's recognised as : at least solid DC....terrible HC. Can't say it's because of poor recruiting because 7-8 cycles of terrible recruiting just says otherwise to me.

    - Calgary may not have a Buckley or Underdahl as QB, but Sinagra will be more than fine as their QB. They have the depth, so we'll see how it goes.

    - Like what you've said, I'll hold my judgments on Laurier. Beating Toronto is not a difficult feat. It shouldn't be, in fact!

    - OUA - AUS matchups should be interesting this year, since it looks like at least SMU and either MtA or St-FX could have strong attack...in contrast to OUA teams being either terrible on offence or godawful on defence.
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    Bowls are Q @ CW and OUA @ AUS.
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    At this early juncture, it appears that those could be good semi-final match-ups. OUA in a down year is still favoured, but they will be on the road. A lot of OUA contenders (aside from Western) appear to be struggling on offence, and Western has a habit of choking on the road for their bowl games. A strong AUS team should have a chance to end the conference's losing streak.

    Both Montreal and Laval are really tough at home, but on the road against a team with a strong passing attack (which the CW contenders all have), they are human. There could be the makings of a good match-up. With the game being out West, bad weather could throw a wrench into things.

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    In a parallel universe I'd like to see how Montreal would fare out west... But since it would imply them beating Laval first, it can wait another decade or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughts View Post
    -Waterloo deserves a thunderous round of applause for putting the hard work in during the off season to get them off to an amazing start. While they played two bottom feeders they had a solid win over Windsor and a slapping of York. Do any of the Waterloo fans feel nostalgic watching the Warriors run the option all over the opposition?
    Absolutely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveBreatheFootball View Post
    Just few comments. Mostly in agreement with what you're saying.

    - I can't help but to say that we'll be seeing somewhat similar of a coaching change with Queen's, like how this happened in USask.....a historically strong program not winning anything in years (especially come playoffs) and the teams losing in huge disappointments to cap that off in last few seasons (Queen's more of recent happenings however).

    - Regina, if they keep it up and win in CW, could provide interesting matchups for Laval or Montreal come Mitchell Bowl, especially if they use the new Roughriders Stadium and also bring all the Roughriders fans on top of Regina locals and students. In order to beat Laval (at least), you need to have a phenomenal QB like Branagan or Quinlan doing otherworldly and Noah Picton can absolutely do that- even with improved secondaries on Laval's half.

    - With Craney I have to assume that his poor performance in York, in contrast to good defences he coached back in Concordia, may be similar to what Rex Ryan's recognised as : at least solid DC....terrible HC. Can't say it's because of poor recruiting because 7-8 cycles of terrible recruiting just says otherwise to me.

    - Calgary may not have a Buckley or Underdahl as QB, but Sinagra will be more than fine as their QB. They have the depth, so we'll see how it goes.

    - Like what you've said, I'll hold my judgments on Laurier. Beating Toronto is not a difficult feat. It shouldn't be, in fact!

    - OUA - AUS matchups should be interesting this year, since it looks like at least SMU and either MtA or St-FX could have strong attack...in contrast to OUA teams being either terrible on offence or godawful on defence.
    I agree on the OUA. I don't know what to make of any of our teams. With the exception Waterloo.....did I just say that.....I shudder at the thought of that, but none of the OUA offences look like anything serious or impressive on offence...and if the offence can't score.....Sure, the D is helping out but having to work harder. I am disappointed in Mac's O so far this year. 142 yards offence and 65 yards passing. Pretty sad. Some of that is coaching, and White didn't play last game - so that had an impact. Mind you we did better against Sask.
    While our D is strong, they're going to get tired. And it's not just Mac, it's Queens, Western, had some lack lustre games. Of course, Windsor and U of T are on course for their usual placement.
    The AUS look to be getting stronger this year, with SMU, Mt A, ST FX would all most likely be able to beat us.
    Out west, I like Regina. UBC - Calgary
    And of course....in Q, Laval and Montreal.
    Need another game in the OUA to see where these teams are going. With the exception of Waterloo, there's no real strong consistent team there
    So let's see what next week brings.
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    Another week in the books and some important results gatheres. Thoughts after this week;

    OUA
    -Despite Mac losing to Western they gained respect in my book because they found a QB that can put points in the board. I know the Mac fans have been calling for this since the opening minute but it looks like White should be the starter
    -Guelph beat the brakes off Windsor and seem to be rolling now. The opening loss to Ottawa seems like it could have been an anomaly given how the two teams have been playing since then.
    -Laurier squeaked one out against a Carleton team that looked more like what it was supposed to. If Arruda can continue to build on that game the Ravens could be dangerous but, given how they have looked so far and how tight this game was, I also think Western is the clear favorite right now.
    -Despite winning Ottawa definitely lost some ground in the respect conversation there, a 9 point win over York is a bit embarrassing

    The Q
    -Montreal got a tight win against Laval and these two continue to be the top dogs in the nation. We'll see how the rematch goes but, as has been said before, the Q season is a bit of a waste of time until the Dunsmore
    -Sherby drops to last place with that loss to McGill, who is battling Con U for the right to lose to Laval or Montreal in the semi's

    CW
    -Calgary's decisive win over Regina moves them in to the driver's seat in CW, a bit of a surprise as Regina was looking stellar up to this point.
    -It looks like we can pretty well pencil in Manitoba as 5th place and write that Alberta is 6th in super permanent marker

    AUS
    -The AUS results are a bit odd with FX blasting Mount A but losing to Acadia who got hammered by Mount A.
    -SMU is on top (rejoice sea dogs!) and Bishops is on the bottom. I think some Q fans said Bishops would compete for the title in the AUS but I could be mistaken.


    Top Ten
    1. Montreal- A fairly easy choice as anyone who knocks off Laval or Montreal will deserve the top spot in the large majority of polls. They're in the driver's seat for the all important Dunsmore home-field advantage so all they have to do is do what they should (beat the rest of the Q) and then win or lose by less than 5 against Laval in the rematch and the big game will be at CEPSUM.

    2. Laval- I thought of putting Calgary here but, based on history, I would always pick Laval over Calgary. The loss to Montreal is hardly a heart breaker as they played and won the Dunsmore at CEPSUM last season. Same story with Montreal, it's a snooze fest until their rematch and then again until the Dunsmore. The one interesting factor is, regardless who comes out of the Q, they won't have the all-important home field advantage. As Spud mentioned in some thread recently, these two are much closer to human out of the friendly confines of La Belle Province.

    3. Calgary- They put an emphasis on their spot as top dog in CW with that win over Regina. Everyone knows the CW is very hard to predict but that result entrenches them firmly in the Vanier contender bracket, a spot in which (in my eyes) they are alone with the Red and the Blue right now.

    4. Western- Kind of by default, had Regina played Calgary closer I would still have them in this spot. Mac played them tight but I think Mac has a 2014 style defense, capable of going up against anyone in the country. I honestly just don't trust Marshall to beat anyone outside Ontario and don't even trust him to win the Yates, or rather not lose it with some insane collapse or play call at a pivotal moment. For now they're atop the OUA.

    5. Laurier- They showed they can score in that Carleton game and that their running game is still a force to be reckoned with. Is Knevel good enough to lead them to another Yates? They enter a tough stretch right now with Queens, Waterloo (depending on how they do against Carleton this weekend, we'll know if they can compete or just beat bad teams) and then the Purple Ponies.

    6. Regina- If they played Calgary a bit tighter they would either be 4 or 5 but a 20 point loss is a 20 point loss. They still have one of the most dangerous QB's in the nation and CW is always wild so I'm not even close to counting them out.

    7. Saskatchewan- A strong win over Alberta, we'll see how they fare this week against UBC. This game is the preliminary battle for 3rd place in CW but in this conference things are rarely for certain. It's nice to see them playing well again in any event, a program like this should always be competing with the best.

    8. UBC- UBC slides in here on account of my respect for Blake Nill, his recruiting, and knowing that they do have studs that can come to play on any given day. A good test this week against Sask.

    9. SMU- They look to be on top in the east, it would be nice to see Colzie build them back up to the old days eh?

    10. Mac- Yes they are 1-1 but that Western loss made me feel better about them than Ottawa's win over York. In any case they'll get the opportunity to sort that out this weekend. As I said I think they have a 2014 level defense and if they can find the offense they could get back to the Vanier.

    Why Teams Were Left Off
    -Ottawa: 3-0 but with two extremely close victories over a Guelph team finding their footing and a Queens team that just wants to lose games it seems. The other win was a 9 point win over York... Come one man!
    -Guelph: With another win, which they will get this weekend, they solidify their case to be in there. Kind of like a UBC in that they will be dangerous come playoff time I believe.
    -Carleton: 1-2 but that Laurier loss showed a lot of spark in their offense. Lucky for them they were able to pull off the win over Queens in week 1, if they play as they should from here and win the Panda game they'll sneak in to the playoffs at 4-4 and have a second chance at the season.
    -Waterloo: They've done what they should up to this point, now comes a real test. If they win I will pee my pants in glee and gladly bump them into the Top Ten.
    -Con U/McGill: I know it's unfair to judge them against the two best teams in he country but at the end of the day they play in the Q and that's the only way I can judge them.

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    A good top ten Thoughts, mine has nominal non-noteworthy. I suspect when the top ten comes out this week it won't match yours though. The "official" top ten will have Ottawa seeded and only 3 CW teams.

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    OUA is so hard to judge right now. Four undefeated teams, but Waterloo has been playing exclusively jabronis, and Ottawa and Laurier just barely won their only games against quality opponents. Based on the upcoming match-ups, it'll take about two more weeks for things to start to become clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughts View Post
    Another week in the books and some important results gatheres. Thoughts after this week;

    OUA
    -Despite Mac losing to Western they gained respect in my book because they found a QB that can put points in the board. I know the Mac fans have been calling for this since the opening minute but it looks like White should be the starter
    -Guelph beat the brakes off Windsor and seem to be rolling now. The opening loss to Ottawa seems like it could have been an anomaly given how the two teams have been playing since then.
    -Laurier squeaked one out against a Carleton team that looked more like what it was supposed to. If Arruda can continue to build on that game the Ravens could be dangerous but, given how they have looked so far and how tight this game was, I also think Western is the clear favorite right now.
    -Despite winning Ottawa definitely lost some ground in the respect conversation there, a 9 point win over York is a bit embarrassing

    The Q
    -Montreal got a tight win against Laval and these two continue to be the top dogs in the nation. We'll see how the rematch goes but, as has been said before, the Q season is a bit of a waste of time until the Dunsmore
    -Sherby drops to last place with that loss to McGill, who is battling Con U for the right to lose to Laval or Montreal in the semi's

    CW
    -Calgary's decisive win over Regina moves them in to the driver's seat in CW, a bit of a surprise as Regina was looking stellar up to this point.
    -It looks like we can pretty well pencil in Manitoba as 5th place and write that Alberta is 6th in super permanent marker

    AUS
    -The AUS results are a bit odd with FX blasting Mount A but losing to Acadia who got hammered by Mount A.
    -SMU is on top (rejoice sea dogs!) and Bishops is on the bottom. I think some Q fans said Bishops would compete for the title in the AUS but I could be mistaken.


    Top Ten
    1. Montreal- A fairly easy choice as anyone who knocks off Laval or Montreal will deserve the top spot in the large majority of polls. They're in the driver's seat for the all important Dunsmore home-field advantage so all they have to do is do what they should (beat the rest of the Q) and then win or lose by less than 5 against Laval in the rematch and the big game will be at CEPSUM.

    2. Laval- I thought of putting Calgary here but, based on history, I would always pick Laval over Calgary. The loss to Montreal is hardly a heart breaker as they played and won the Dunsmore at CEPSUM last season. Same story with Montreal, it's a snooze fest until their rematch and then again until the Dunsmore. The one interesting factor is, regardless who comes out of the Q, they won't have the all-important home field advantage. As Spud mentioned in some thread recently, these two are much closer to human out of the friendly confines of La Belle Province.

    3. Calgary- They put an emphasis on their spot as top dog in CW with that win over Regina. Everyone knows the CW is very hard to predict but that result entrenches them firmly in the Vanier contender bracket, a spot in which (in my eyes) they are alone with the Red and the Blue right now.

    4. Western- Kind of by default, had Regina played Calgary closer I would still have them in this spot. Mac played them tight but I think Mac has a 2014 style defense, capable of going up against anyone in the country. I honestly just don't trust Marshall to beat anyone outside Ontario and don't even trust him to win the Yates, or rather not lose it with some insane collapse or play call at a pivotal moment. For now they're atop the OUA.

    5. Laurier- They showed they can score in that Carleton game and that their running game is still a force to be reckoned with. Is Knevel good enough to lead them to another Yates? They enter a tough stretch right now with Queens, Waterloo (depending on how they do against Carleton this weekend, we'll know if they can compete or just beat bad teams) and then the Purple Ponies.

    6. Regina- If they played Calgary a bit tighter they would either be 4 or 5 but a 20 point loss is a 20 point loss. They still have one of the most dangerous QB's in the nation and CW is always wild so I'm not even close to counting them out.

    7. Saskatchewan- A strong win over Alberta, we'll see how they fare this week against UBC. This game is the preliminary battle for 3rd place in CW but in this conference things are rarely for certain. It's nice to see them playing well again in any event, a program like this should always be competing with the best.

    8. UBC- UBC slides in here on account of my respect for Blake Nill, his recruiting, and knowing that they do have studs that can come to play on any given day. A good test this week against Sask.

    9. SMU- They look to be on top in the east, it would be nice to see Colzie build them back up to the old days eh?

    10. Mac- Yes they are 1-1 but that Western loss made me feel better about them than Ottawa's win over York. In any case they'll get the opportunity to sort that out this weekend. As I said I think they have a 2014 level defense and if they can find the offense they could get back to the Vanier.

    Why Teams Were Left Off
    -Ottawa: 3-0 but with two extremely close victories over a Guelph team finding their footing and a Queens team that just wants to lose games it seems. The other win was a 9 point win over York... Come one man!
    -Guelph: With another win, which they will get this weekend, they solidify their case to be in there. Kind of like a UBC in that they will be dangerous come playoff time I believe.
    -Carleton: 1-2 but that Laurier loss showed a lot of spark in their offense. Lucky for them they were able to pull off the win over Queens in week 1, if they play as they should from here and win the Panda game they'll sneak in to the playoffs at 4-4 and have a second chance at the season.
    -Waterloo: They've done what they should up to this point, now comes a real test. If they win I will pee my pants in glee and gladly bump them into the Top Ten.
    -Con U/McGill: I know it's unfair to judge them against the two best teams in he country but at the end of the day they play in the Q and that's the only way I can judge them.
    Well, there are many things to consider. Namely, offence. Coaching as well as the Defence, players recruited, players lost.
    What are the changes, improvements, losses in players, changes in coaching, etc this year.
    While you need a strong defence to keep the opposition from scoring, and keep a team in the game,
    Let's face it, we need to put points on the board on offence, as well as defence, and teams need to be able to move the ball, have an offence.
    A lack lustre offence is impacting many teams this year.
    Several teams may have a strong defence, but if they can't move the ball, produce or score, they're going to have a hard time winning.

    So after reviewing the scores, teams, offence, defence, coaches, here's my list so far....
    It will most likely change in a week or two, after we've had a chance to see more teams in the OUA play one another...that is where the challenges lie...in the OUA
    but for now, this is where I feel it's at.



    2017 Football Team Statistics Total Offence

    RK NAME GP RUSH PASS TOT OFF YPG

    1 Calgary 2 357 850 1156 603.5
    2 Saint Mary's 2 404 758 1112 581.0
    3 Laurier 2 389 724 1068 556.5
    4 Western 3 638 1012 1596 550.0
    5 Laval 3 445 1008 1380 484.3
    6 Saskatchewan 2 257 690 932 473.5
    7 Montreal 2 218 715 922 466.5
    8 Alberta 2 432 492 917 462.0
    9 Mount Allison 2 277 646 908 461.5
    10 Guelph 3 503 803 1242 435.3

    11 Acadia 3 507 797 1260 434.7
    12 Carleton 3 418 877 1205 431.7
    13 Waterloo 3 713 564 1184 425.7
    14 Regina 2 185 644 817 414.5
    15 Concordia 2 225 598 802 411.5
    16 Queen's 2 259 561 712 410.0
    17 StFX 3 500 692 1115 397.3
    18 UBC 2 288 462 750 375.0
    19 Ottawa 3 409 629 928 346.0
    20 Manitoba 2 149 541 690 345.0
    21 Windsor 3 547 435 911 327.3
    22 York 3 302 674 926 325.3
    23 McGill 2 -4 602 565 299.0
    24 Sherbrooke 3 342 535 854 292.3
    25 Bishop's 2 208 350 464 279.0
    26 McMaster 2 294 203 406 248.5
    27 Toronto 3 325 388 645 237.7

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    AUS

    GP W L Win % Last 10 Streak PF PA PTS
    Saint Mary's 2 2 0 1.000 2-0 Won 2 78 44 4
    Acadia 3 2 1 0.667 2-1 Won 2 88 98 4
    StFX 3 1 2 0.333 1-2 Lost 1 84 76 2
    Mount Allison 2 1 1 0.500 1-1 Lost 1 64 60 2
    Bishop's 2 0 2 0.000 0-2 Lost 2 31 67 0

    CANADA WEST

    GP W L Win % Last 10 Streak PF PA PTS
    Calgary 2 2 0 1.000 2-0 Won 2 101 52 4
    Saskatchewan 2 2 0 1.000 2-0 Won 2 87 40 4
    UBC 2 1 1 0.500 1-1 Won 1 52 54 2
    Regina 2 1 1 0.500 1-1 Lost 1 62 66 2
    Manitoba 2 0 2 0.000 0-2 Lost 2 41 76 0
    Alberta 2 0 2 0.000 0-2 Lost 2 43 98 0

    OUA

    GP W L Win % Last 10 Streak PF PA PTS
    Western 3 3 0 1.000 3-0 Won 3 136 51 6
    Waterloo 3 3 0 1.000 3-0 Won 3 134 64 6
    Ottawa 3 3 0 1.000 3-0 Won 3 64 51 6
    Laurier 2 2 0 1.000 2-0 Won 2 77 35 4
    Guelph 3 1 2 0.333 1-2 Won 1 137 75 2
    Carleton 3 1 2 0.333 1-2 Lost 2 66 78 2
    Toronto 3 1 2 0.333 1-2 Lost 1 42 79 2
    McMaster 2 1 1 0.500 1-1 Lost 1 37 38 2
    Windsor 3 0 3 0.000 0-3 Lost 3 55 155 0
    Queen's 2 0 2 0.000 0-2 Lost 2 30 36 0
    York 3 0 3 0.000 0-3 Lost 3 28 144 0

    RSEQ

    GP W L Win % Last 10 Streak PF PA PTS
    Laval 3 2 1 0.667 2-1 Lost 1 106 40 4
    Montreal 2 2 0 1.000 2-0 Won 2 58 35 4
    Concordia 2 1 1 0.500 1-1 Won 1 42 59 2
    McGill 2 1 1 0.500 1-1 Won 1 32 66 2
    Sherbrooke 3 0 3 0.000 0-3 Lost 3 43 81 0


    CFC - ranked the teams per player and recruiting
    1. Calgary
    2. Montreal
    3. Laval
    4. St. Mary's
    5. Western

    https://www.canadafootballchat.com/c...ting-rankings/


    Coaches Top 10 offence scoring teams

    1. Calgary
    http://www.godinos.com/coaches.aspx?...&path=football

    2. SMU
    http://www.smuhuskies.ca/sports/fball/coaches/index

    3. Laurier
    https://www.laurierathletics.com/his...hp?sport=MFOOT

    4. Western
    http://www.westernmustangs.ca/coache...?path=football

    5.Laval
    http://rougeetor.ulaval.ca/entraineurs/glen-constantin/

    6. Saskatchewan
    http://www.huskies.usask.ca/sports/fball/coaches/index

    7. Montreal
    https://www.carabins.umontreal.ca/pa...spx?lang=FR-CA

    8. Alberta
    https://www.ualberta.ca/athletics/te...ootball/roster

    9. Mount Alison
    http://mountiepride.ca/information/directory/index

    10. Guelph
    http://gryphons.ca/coaches.aspx?path=football

    ******Mac, we have some catching up to do. 26 on the list. I attribute that to putting in a backup qb for two games. Hoping and expecting we will get much better results as the year progresses.


    Top 10 List -my version of it.... the week of surprises

    1) Montreal
    2) Calgary
    3) Laval
    4) Western
    5) Regina
    6) SMU
    7) Laurier
    8) Saskatchewan
    9) UBC
    10) Guelph
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    Waterloo Honorable mention. They need to play some strong teams before they get placed on the list
    Interested to see what the Official Top 10 list will be


    Recap of last weeks games
    https://www.canadafootballchat.com/u...-forth-affair/
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilligan View Post
    OUA is so hard to judge right now. Four undefeated teams, but Waterloo has been playing exclusively jabronis, and Ottawa and Laurier just barely won their only games against quality opponents. Based on the upcoming match-ups, it'll take about two more weeks for things to start to become clear.
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    So in you power ranking, Guelph is #2 and Ottawa is #6... while Ottawa beat Guelph?!? OK...
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter.gryphon View Post
    This is how I judge the OUA right now ...

    My @OUAsport power rankings after Week 3

    1 @westernuFB
    2 @GryphonFootball
    3 @LaurierFootball
    4 @Marauderftbl
    5 @CURavens
    6 @GeeGeesFootball
    7 @Queens_Football
    8 @UWWarriorsFB
    9 @UofTBluesFB
    10 @UWLancerFB
    11 @YULionsFootball
    How I see the OUA teams, so far.
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    4 @GeeGeesFootball
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylven View Post
    So in you power ranking, Guelph is #2 and Ottawa is #6... while Ottawa beat Guelph?!? OK...
    Ottawa beat Guelph in DOUBLE OT. That says to me that there was very little separating the two teams when they played in late August. Wouldn't you agree?

    Since then Guelph has looked better in every game. Ottawa has looked like crap. They didn't score an offensive touchdown until Wk 3 when they played York.

    These are my Week 3 power rankings, not the OUA standings.
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    PG,
    Perception is your reality...and I don't agree. After 3 mini exhibition games to tune up for the season opener Roberts went 9-25 in the game against the GGs. With a GG rookie QB forced into the game due to injury for the second half and leading Guelph 18-7 with just over 2 minutes to go in the game. Roberts gets lucky on a desperation long pass that connected for a TD.(that drive was one play) The tie happened with 1 second left in the 4th Qtr. To you that is "very little separating the two teams"...for that game because it went to double OT

    Now if the tables were reversed and it was the GGs coming back with a little luck late in the game to do what Guelph did and Guelph won, I still think you would have found a way to put Guelph on a pedestal and comment the same about the GGs as you did above. Would you have still felt "very little was separating" the two teams. I think not.

    No doubt GGs have some personnel issues early in the year.. But in your words..for the most part Guelph looked like crap in that first game. We'll see if things continue getting better for them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onlooker View Post
    PG,
    Perception is your reality...and I don't agree. After 3 mini exhibition games to tune up for the season opener Roberts went 9-25 in the game against the GGs. With a GG rookie QB forced into the game due to injury for the second half and leading Guelph 18-7 with just over 2 minutes to go in the game. Roberts gets lucky on a desperation long pass that connected for a TD.(that drive was one play) The tie happened with 1 second left in the 4th Qtr. To you that is "very little separating the two teams"...for that game because it went to double OT

    Now if the tables were reversed and it was the GGs coming back with a little luck late in the game to do what Guelph did and Guelph won, I still think you would have found a way to put Guelph on a pedestal and comment the same about the GGs as you did above. Would you have still felt "very little was separating" the two teams. I think not.

    No doubt GGs have some personnel issues early in the year.. But in your words..for the most part Guelph looked like crap in that first game. We'll see if things continue getting better for them!
    Guelph had 4 mini-exhibition games to tune up, not 3. Of course, lots of starters only played in 1 or 2 of them. And in order to play those games Guelph gave up 3 days of training camp practice time. If their only concern was preparing for the opening game they may have been better off to stay home.

    Roberts got lucky? Okay, if that's how you want to look at it. Maybe you should add that Scarfone got lucky on that play too - he did make Jackson Bennett look rather ordinary as he beat him easily. Was Roberts also lucky on that perfect pass to Shaffer-Baker in the back corner of the end zone for the 2-point convert?

    The tie happened with 1 sec left because of excellent clock management. It would have been stupid to attempt the kick with more time left on the clock.

    Are you forgetting that Guelph sacked your QBs 8 times and had Twynstra running for his life several other times?

    As I told Sylven, the only reason I have Ottawa ranked lower than Guelph is because of their poor play since Week 1. If they had crushed Queen's and York, I think everyone would be looking at them differently. I actually have some sympathy for the idea that Barresi rested players looking ahead to Mac and not being worried about impressing people against York but I did not figure that into my power rankings.
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    I stand corrected on the mini games being 4 not 3.

    Based on the performance through out the game prior....yes.. it was lucky late in the game! One play changed things.. like the GG win against Queens..

    And 6 of the 8 sacks came in the second half with the rookie "deer in headlights" frozen in the pocket. And he still had ended up with a better % than Roberts. But the Gryphs D was good!

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    So, if there's "very little separating" Ottawa and Guelph, why do you put them so far apart (#2 and #6 is not especially close)? Moreover, a win is a win, be it in double OT. Seriously, your pretention that 1-2 Guelph is the #2 team in Ontario, four spots ahead of Ottawa who beat them at Guelph, is just ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylven View Post
    So, if there's "very little separating" Ottawa and Guelph, why do you put them so far apart (#2 and #6 is not especially close)? Moreover, a win is a win, be it in double OT. Seriously, your pretention that 1-2 Guelph is the #2 team in Ontario, four spots ahead of Ottawa who beat them at Guelph, is just ridiculous.
    PG has also conveniently forgotten all of his bleating last year about what a huge advantage it was to the home team to have 55 players dressed vis-a-vis the visiting teams' 47. Of course he was using that argument to try to explain Guelph's loss to Windsor.

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    I believe I read PG that you stated (twitter maybe) that you ranked Laurier below Guelph because "they hadn't played anyone" when they had played Toronto, but had Western ranked 1, when they had played York and Guelph with no wins.

    Now Guelph has 1 win over the worst team in the OUA (CIS??) and two losses, while Laurier is 2-0 and beat a Carleton team that was a preseason top 3 or 4, depending on who you believe in the OUA. And you still maintain that they are better.

    Throw away any O stats against Windsor, as that was a snow ball that kept rolling, and the Gryphons are average offensively. Laurier put up 600 yards on the Dirty Birds and are well ahead of Guelph statistically on both sides of the ball.

    I can see Guelph at 3, Mac at 4 based on their D (a la Laurier two years ago) and Carleton and Ottawa in the next two spots. I don't see any valid argument for Guelph to be above Laurier

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    [QUOTE=Thoughts;196202]Well here we are, everyone has started their season and, while some things look like they will never change some other things look like they have really turned a corner. Before I jump into my top ten, a few thoughts on the conferences so far;


    AUS
    -Bishops lost by 17 in their first game.... ouch. Changing conferences to be more competitive sucks when your first game is a 3 score loss. They have time to make that up especially since you only need to be in the top 60% to make the playoffs but it would be sad to see them finish without a berth.

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    It would be ironic to say the least that Bishop's spend a quarter million more IIRC in travel expenses for the same result than if they had stayed in the RSEQ.
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    I think that's it's just too early to rank teams in a meaningful way.

    Give them 2 more weeks, and things will be a little clearer. Right now the teams have played teams with wildly different abilities. We need to see more games against the supposed contenders.

    In the next two weeks, Mac plays Ottawa, then Guelph, and that will tell us who's trending up and who's not. Also, Waterloo will play Carleton and Laurier. We'll see if they're contenders or pretenders.
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    The official top ten for sept. 12 is out. Ottawa moves ahead of Mac. Who knew that a narrow win versus York would be worth so much?

    sept 12 2017
    Rank School Season Votes (pts) Previous
    1 Montreal (2-0) 161 (17) 2
    2 Laval (2-1) 139 1
    3 Calgary (2-0) 122 (1) 3
    4 Western (3-0) 108 4
    5 Laurier (2-0) 85 6
    6 Regina (1-1) 66 5
    7 Saskatchewan (2-0) 49 8
    8 Ottawa (3-0) 29 9
    9 McMaster (1-1) 20 7
    10 UBC (1-1) 18 10
    Other teams receiving votes: Saint Mary’s (5), Concordia (3), Guelph (2), Waterloo (2), Acadia (1).

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